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Public Program in Bath, 7 Aug 1984

Public Program. Bath (UK), 7 August 1984.

I bow to all the seekers of truth.

It is such a pleasure to come to this old city of Bath.

The Romans who lived here are so much changed today that it is impossible to locate the Romans who lived here. Life has changed in these modern times to a very, very great extent and the ideas about life is also very much changed. As the society has evolved, we reach a point where we start thinking “What next?” As if what Romans wanted, the power – we have enjoyed it now; then they wanted to have money, possessions – we have enjoyed all that, and seen the nonsense of it; and now beyond that we are seeking something more, something that is not known as yet. But there’s a feeling that we have to search something greater, higher, something that is absolute.

This special category exists today in thousands, in millions I should say, all over the world. And this I call as the blossom time, when thousands have to become the fruits. Is a special time, very, very special time mentioned in all the scriptures as the resurrection time, or the time of judgment, or Krita Yuga in the Indian scriptures. It’s very clearly written about Krita Yuga in the Indian scriptures, that at this time people will have connection with the Divine – sakshat. They will get their realization, that they call as “atma sakshatkar” and everything will be done, finished and completed. This is how they have explained these modern times.

But on the other hand, modern time is a time of complete confusion, of complete relativity, where people really don’t know what to do with themselves. The value system that was very primitive in the beginning became somewhat rigid, because of too many boundaries to the movement of life, movement of mind. And then they started breaking the boundaries so much that they have lost all the shape and forms. There’s so much of intermingling into those colors that we had, that it’s hard to recognize what was human being, what is he and what is he going to be.

The question today faces us is this: are we born on this earth to live, have our food, some insurances, and have some children, grandchildren and then to die? It’s something like animal’s life, isn’t it? What’s so great of becoming a human being? So we understand one thing, that human beings have a capacity to do something, something great for the collective, for the people who are surrounding them, for the society in which they live. And this itself has given rise within us to this awakening, that we have to find out a way and method by which we do things for the collective, for the rest of the world. It’s very, very evident, this awareness that we cannot live alone, there has to be some sort of a connection with the whole, and that we should find out that connection by which we can really spread the goodness, the virtuousness, the bliss of peace.

Now the main thing is that when we start doing any such work, or any such social work or any such helpful work for the collective, we develop some sort of an ego within ourselves. Is a very common thing. Like I was a president of one of the organization in India, called President of the Blinds. And when they wanted to invite the governor – see, very prominently these, of very high-ranking families – they had a big quarrel among themselves: who is going to sit next to the governor? I was quite amazed at them, you see. I said, “Because you’ll be facing the blind, and blind can’t see a governor from another person. And what is there to fight about this, that who is going to sit next to the governor?”



And it was so surprising that the fight became so severe that one could not find out any solutions; so I used some humor to say, “All right, what we will do, we’ll put a big plank on top of the head of the governor, and some can sit like sparrows on one side and some can on other side!”And only with that kind of a humor I could neutralize their ideas; because even when they are so educated, they are well-placed in life, they are very well-off people and they want to help others because they think that we must help the poor, the people who need our money or maybe our guidance, and they come out, give their time, money and all that, and they end up so stupidly about that social work.

So it amounts to this, that when we try to help anyone, actually what do we do is to help ourselves. Because we can’t bear it within ourselves, that’s why we are trying to help another person. But the trouble is, the awareness of this is not there, and that’s why people suffer from either the ego or some sort of a conditioning when they come closer to another society.

Like any society, take it now. For example, I’m now in British society we can say, or English society. When I come here, immediately you have to adjust yourself to that society. For example, I wear this red mark. So everybody will laugh at you, make fun of you. Then you’ll start wondering, what is this? And you’ll just rub it off, you see, because you’ll think that something funny is happening. Like in India if you go and if you put on lipstick in the villages, people will say what’s wrong with this lady, why is she putting on lipstick, you see – it’s not supposed to put there. So then everybody will laugh and see that this is something funny she’s doing, and she will try then to adjust herself to their requirements; and that’s how we get into our conditionings.

So either, when you are dealing with the society you either develop your ego, or you develop your superego or your conditioning. So what is the problem, why do we develop these things? We should not. We should stand on our right, we should stand as we are, and we should see the whole world as a witness. So the problem is this, that when you deal with the society you must know that you are the part and parcel of the whole; that everyone you see, whether he is English, Indian or Arabic are all part and parcel of one great being called God Almighty. And when these parts are not awakened, then they think they are separate and they fight among themselves, or they condition each other or they challenge the ego, and like that it goes on. But once they’re aware about this collectivity, that they are part and parcel of the whole, they become one, they start moving in unison.

Like in helium gas experiment they have found out that when you start reducing the temperature of helium gas, all the molecules which were fighting with the heat just cool down, and they become so collective that their movement and everything goes in the same direction, like the birds, they move according to the leader – in the same way the movement starts. This happening has to take place within us when we talk that we have to have peace in this world, we have to have all the best things, and that people should live peacefully and happily. This is what we have to know, that human beings as they are require a transformation. Unless and until they transform to this new awareness of collectivity, they cannot adjust themselves to society, to another person.

Also, you will see that you meet a friend, you say “he’s my friend” or you say “he’s my brother” or “she’s my sister” – this “my” business starts coming, and you feel it’s something very close relationship. But suddenly you discover that “No, he’s my enemy.” And then you can become such enemies that you would not believe that you were ever friends, and that you will also expose the another person to such an extent that you are amazed at yourself. This happens to us because we do not know about the person with whom we are friendly that he’s also part and parcel of the whole; and that we have to awaken that in him, that awareness, so that he realizes that we are all part and parcel of the whole.

Now, within us lies the power to make us collectively conscious. And this power is lying in the triangular bone called the sacrum, which we know as kundalini, but in the Bible it is described as the Holy Ghost. Now this Holy Ghost that we know about in the Bible is very ambiguous for many people, because it is not clearly described what this Holy Ghost is.

And I asked a priest, I said, “What do you mean by Holy Ghost?”

So he said, “I’m agnostic.”

So I asked him, “Then what are you doing there? If you are agnostic, if you don’t believe in it then what are you doing there?”

He says, “I’m doing my job.” So the whole thing boils down to a job for them, when they cannot explain it.

But it can be very clearly explained that this is the power of the Primordial Mother. We have the Father and we have the Son, but what about the Mother? Have you heard of a father and a son without the mother? So this is the Primordial Mother who is the Holy Ghost, and She is the one reflected within us as the kundalini in the triangular bone. Now, this triangular bone is very important because it was called by Greeks as “sacrum”, meaning “sacred”. So they knew about it, that there’s something sacred lying in this place which is a power, or maybe they knew it was the Holy Ghost. Whatever it was, they knew, because they called it the sacrum bone.

Now within us there are seven centers, as I explained to you yesterday in Bristol, that we have seven centers within us which are subtle centers. Now these centers exist within us. But you can ask Me, “Mother, why should we believe?” Ah, you should not, you should not believe Me, but take it scientifically as a hypothesis. And if I prove it to you, then you will know that what I’m saying is true.

So these centers reside within us, and these centers on the outside express themselves, manifest themselves in gross ways in different plexuses, which doctors know about. Now these centers are there, and a very subtler point – like the first center, as I told you, is the center of innocence. The second one is the center of our creativity. The third one is the center of our seeking. We seek food, then we seek shelter, then we seek money, possessions, power, love: all this comes through this center, which manifests outside as the solar plexus.

Above that is the center of – we call it the center of the Mother, because this center is the one that gives you protection. This center has a speciality, that underneath lies the sternum bone. And in the sternum bone, till you are about twelve years of age, the antibodies are created. They are like the soldiers of the Mother and these soldiers are available in the sternum bone, and the sternum bone is in charge of these soldiers all around. Now when there is an attack or when there is something that frightens you, suddenly the sternum bone starts pulsating. When it starts pulsating or moving then as a result of that happening, the antibodies get information – like you get information through the ether; you don’t see the ether, but you can get information – in the same way, they are like radios and they receive the information, and they start attacking, attacking anything that is trying to disturb the personality.

Then above that is the center, what we call here is the Vishuddhi Chakra, is the center where human beings raised their head up. This is the center that has made us a human being, and from this center only rises the ego and superego, because this is the center of collectivity. Because we speak through this center, we talk through this, we have rapport with other people through this, and as a reaction to that, ego and superego is built within us. When that is built within us, we become a personality – I am some, he is some, you are some – at that point we become a person who has the consciousness of I-ness. Like then I’ll say “I like this, I want this.” Say, I will say “I am an Indian,” you’ll say “I am an Englishman.” All these misidentifications start because you become an individual who tries to identify with many things. That’s how we become separated from that power. This is the freedom we get, where we have to ourself learn from our errors and trials what is right and what is wrong.

Then above that lies the center here – is of Christ. This is the window of Christ, I should say. But this center is very important, because this center controls these two institutions of ego and superego. That’s why it is said that Christ died for our sins. When you awaken Christ in that center, then He sucks in these two institutions or these two balloon-like structures. He sucks in, so that our karmas – which are talked of, that we have done bad karmas and we have done this and that – all that goes into it, and our sins and our conditioning all are sucked in. And we enter into the kingdom of God, which is the limbic area in the medical terminology.

But from here you have to pierce through; and this piercing through is the destination, is the destination through which you have to come out, and is placed at the fontanel bone area where you get your baptism. But baptism, as I told you yesterday, is just an artificial exercise. Actual baptism is when this Holy Ghost rises and you start really feeling the cool breeze on top of your head. This is a miracle. It is! Not to believe in miracle is not correct. You should keep yourself open. Even you may be an intellectual, you must be honest about it that if you have not known a miracle, that doesn’t mean there are no miracles and that miracles do not happen. But keep the point of view of a scientist who sees, wants to see for himself if it is so. Now this miracle happens when the kundalini rises, pierces through all these centers and pierces through here.

Now, how these centers are constructed, we should see that also very clearly. We have in our body an autonomous nervous system. “Auto” is a word means “myself.” But who is this self ? Who is this auto? Doctors don’t know about it, they have just given a name, “autonomous.” Now this autonomous has two systems: one is the sympathetic, another is the parasympathetic. Now, the sympathetic system we use when we are in emergency, because supposing we are running very fast, then the sympathetic goes into action and you get a very strong heartbeat. Also the beat is much faster than normal. This is done by the sympathetic activity. You can raise the – raise the, always, the rate of your heartbeat, but it reduces automatically. How? It is done by the parasympathetic, which is in the center. Now these three channels, as you see, are the channels – one on the left-hand side is the left sympathetic channel, but it’s the subtle channel which expresses outside as the left sympathetic. Then right side is the right sympathetic, and in the center is the parasympathetic nervous system, which is also responsible for our evolutionary process.

So now we have evolved up to the human stage. This is not the end, because if it was the end we would have known everything. But we do not know everything. We have to jump into another awareness, which Christ has described – the second birth; but not of flesh, or not of changing clothes or doing something outward thing, but it’s a happening within you that makes you something. You become something. It’s a question of becoming. It is not that you become just a member of some group or you say, “All right, I belong to this group” or “I wear this kind of a dress. I do this kind of a thing.” That’s not the way. It’s actual happening that takes place within you, and that makes you a realized soul.

If you have to become something, if it has to happen within you, then that is the one we should call as the real truth. It has to be felt on the central nervous system, like you have become a human being. You can feel the dirt and filth, you can see the colors, you can see the beautiful patterns, everything, because you are a human being. But for a dog it doesn’t matter whether it’s dirty, filthy – it doesn’t smell that. So in the same way, when you have to become something higher, then is to be felt on your central nervous system. It’s not just a mental projection to say, “Oh, I believe in this, I believe in that. I don’t believe in that.” It’s not that way at all. It is to be felt on your central nervous system; on your fingertips you have to feel it. And how do you feel it is very spontaneous, because it is a living process. It’s not at all difficult, it’s not at all any way challenging. It is all built in within you; it is extremely simple. Like a seed you are, and once you are planted into the Mother Earth, spontaneously you sprout.

It’s such a spontaneous happening that it is difficult for human beings to believe that you can do it without any effort, or that you cannot pay for it. This is something, for human beings, an impossible situation: now how can you get something without paying? But we get so many things without paying, and if this is the epitome of your evolution, you have not paid for your evolution so far, so why should you pay for it? And there has not to be any effort.

So “Sahaja Yoga” means spontaneous union with the Divine. “Saha” is with, “ja” is born, that is spontaneous, born with you: everybody has a right to get this union with the Divine. The another meaning of the word “Divine” is that the power of God that is all-pervading, which does all the living work – like transformation of flower into fruit, different seasons – all that is living is done by this power. And this Divine, you have to become one. You have to feel it on your fingertips. This yoga also means the deftness, means also the complete knowledge about this divine power, how to handle it, how to work it out and how to use it.

By awakening of this kundalini, as a by-product you get your physical health. I’ve said many a times that cancer cannot be cured by anything else but by the kundalini awakening. Yesterday I explained to you how cancer is caused, and how kundalini clears it out. Most of your diseases come because the centers are out of gear, they have broken their relationship with the whole, or maybe that there’s something lacking in the centers. When the kundalini rises she only nourishes them so well that with that nourishment all these center, your mental, physical, emotional centers get completely satisfied and fulfilled, and they become healthy. With that you get good health, good mind and good balanced emotional life.

But last of all, when she crosses this limit, this is the, this is the place where resides the God Almighty. Now, I’m saying again that you are not to believe Me, because people don’t believe in God also these days. So I say that this is the place of God Almighty on top of your head, but He is reflected in your heart as spirit; and as soon as the kundalini touches that seat, the hands start flowing with cool breeze in the hand. First you feel the cool breeze of your own kundalini coming up and then the grace starts flowing through you, and you feel the grace in your hand as cool breeze flowing.

So it happens. Once it happens you have to establish yourself a little bit, you have to understand it, what it is and how to keep it established. It takes at the most for some people only one day but some people a month or so, and then you become the master. You become a different personality, you become so powerful and so compassionate; very compassionate and very powerful like Christ, you see. When people were trying to throw stones at Mary Magdalene – she was a prostitute, and He stood against it. He had nothing to do with prostitutes as such, but He stood against all the people and He said, “Now those who have not committed any sin can throw the stones at Me.” And nobody would do it, because He’s such a powerful, compassionate person.

And that’s what it is, you become a person identified with truth. You are not afraid of anyone, you always tell the truth and will tell with great power. Like you had a great poet like William Blake, who has said about these modern times that at this time the men of God – means the people who are seeking God or who are believing in God – will become prophets and they’ll have power to make others prophet.

This is exactly what Sahaja Yoga does, that you get your realization and you start giving realization to another. Like an enlightened light can enlighten another light which is not enlightened, and then that enlightened light can enlighten many other lights. Is simple as that. There’s nothing to take or give, it’s just a catalyst, that you enlighten another light and that person enlightens another light. So there is no obligation, there’s nothing give and take, but it’s just a simple happening that you can understand. This Dr. Warren himself has given realization to thousands of people. Even in Madras I could not go, I sent him and he gave realization to three hundred people.

Like in India we have somebody who has given realization to ten thousand people. It’s a fact. And you can verify it. When you yourself get your realization you’ll be surprised that you can give realization to people and you can cure them. You can give them peace and bliss of God. Then at that time you become collectively conscious; you become part and parcel of the whole. Like many people had the catch yesterday on the Vishuddhi Chakra – because of certain reasons, some troubles, some had spondylitis, some had something – and they couldn’t cross this thing. Only they had to say three times, “Mother, I am the part and parcel of the whole,” and they started feeling the cool breeze. It’s so simple as that. And they started feeling the cool breeze, because they were obstructed here. So it’s very simple methods which even a child can do, which you can do is there, and I hope today in this place which is so beautiful, Bath, we will all receive this realization.

May God bless you all.

If you have any questions, you should ask Me. But yesterday two persons asked so many questions. I wasted lot of time with them and then they walked out. They were just people sent by some guru or someone who was just trying to ask questions, identified with some wrong gurus. And here are so many people sitting at your back who have been to all kinds of wrong gurus, and we had to treat them and get them better. Some were suffering from epilepsy, some from cancer, some from this and some from that, and they paid for it, getting all these diseases and troubles. Some have ended up in the lunatic asylums. So I would request you, don’t be identified with these gurus. Even if you have paid – forget it. Doesn’t matter. Don’t be identified with them. Be identified with your Self. And this is your property, it’s your own, you should know it. That’s what is My humble request to all of you.

May God bless you. Thank you very much.

[Yogi: Any questions?]

[Audience question, repeated by a yogi: I've found some benefit in a Tibetan humming meditation known as Nada Brahma. Is this meditation compatible with Sahaja Yoga?]

Not at all. Not at all. You see, this Nada Brahma is, what is the benefit one gets is that you go on humming and humming like that, and a day will come when your head will be humming all the time. Now I’ll tell you the reason for that, it’s like this. Supposing we say anything, like we start saying “Aum” or “Hum” or anything, we do not become. Supposing I say “I am the governor of this place” – do I become? If I say I am “Aum” – do I become? By saying thing, can we become something? If we profess something, do we become? Something has to happen within. Unless and until that happens, it has no meaning, it’s all outside. You can say anything. Somebody can say I have some benefits because I have been saying prayers. That’s not the thing. It’s a complete transformation that you must have.

And these are very dangerous things, very, very dangerous; because in the Tibet now, for example, Lama himself is a mess, I tell you, he’s a big mess. I went to China with My husband and I was really amazed – you might call it a propaganda, whatever it is – to see in Lhasa this gentleman accumulated such wealth that it could be compared with the wealth of Pope. He used to take his wine in a full gold goblet which was all carved, and he had number of them. His plate was made of gold, his everything was made of real gold. And from where did he get this money? Imagine – from these Tibetans who were poor people. They are so poor: they have no clothes, nothing to cover themselves. I don’t say Communism is a very good thing, but what I say, that these people really exploited them. The whole of that Lhasa exhibition was such an eye-opener. Oh God! These people have looted these poor people, and how much they have suffered. If you go and see now Tibet, you’ll be amazed. The people don’t know, they are so confused. They don’t understand. They have given everything that they had to this Mr. Lama. He’s touring now everywhere; no one knows what is he up to. What benefit can they give? It’s a myth.

The best benefit is that you become a master. You know each and everything. You know what is kundalini, you know how to give realization other, and everything you must do. That’s the main thing. In the beginning, you do feel nice with anything, even with a drink. For the time being, in the same way, if you are humming somebody’s name you might get possessed for a while and you may feel all right. Like T.M. has the same problem. T.M. people do some mantras: for the time being they feel relaxed because somebody else comes into your mind, he takes over and he starts managing your show. And when he starts managing your show, you feel relaxed. But relaxation is not the thing. You do not become a master.

That’s the point is: when you become one with the whole, then you are relaxed because nothing is exhausted. All the time you are relaxed. But see these lamas how they look, all wrinkled, you know, you can count their wrinkles one by one. Horrible people. You cannot say that they have anything great about them. And what good have they done? I haven’t seen any lama doing any good to anyone. I had a chance of sitting next to this Dalai Lama once in a dinner party when My husband was with the Prime Minister and he was called, and because the Prime Minister’s wife would not sit, so I was sitting next to him, and I felt so hot. And the Prime Minister was Lal Bahadur Shastri and he just could – he knew all about it, about Me and he said, “Are You feeling very hot with him?” because he was a realized soul himself.

I said, “Yes, terrible.”

He said, “All right, then put the another foreign minister in between.” He made Me sit on the other side and the foreign minister sat there.

Till you are realized you will not know. And also I must tell you, when you go to these people it’s difficult for you to get realization – that also is there; because they create a problem within you. With any effort you go onto sympathetic nervous system. Any effort, as I told you, you go to sympathetic nervous system, so your sympathetic gets activated. When your sympathetic gets activated, you either move to the left or to the right. When you move to the left, you go to the collective subconscious. That is the place which is all dead within us since our creation. And cancer, as I told you yesterday, is caused by the entities from that area. And if you go to the right side – most of these lamas put you on the right. Do you know, Hitler was guided by Lama? Dalai Lama was his guru. He taught him how to capture the minds of people and put them onto this kind of a thing. It’s a well-known fact. It was Dalai Lama was his guru. All these lamas are like that.

But when you are realized, then only you will know what they are. Like My grand-daughter is, was about five years – she’s a realized soul; while My daughter and son-in-law were not realized souls. And once they went to Ladakh and the lama was sitting, you see, on a mount. And everybody was going and bowing to him, but she didn’t like it. And when the parents went and bowed to him she got very angry – she was only five years. She just put back her hands like this, stood before him. She said, “By wearing this maxi, do you think you have become a realized soul? You are not. You have no business to ask people to bow before you. What business have you got?”

And they were so shocked and embarrassed, they said, “Don’t say like … ”

“No, why did you bow to him? He’s not to be bowed.” Just imagine!

But unless and until you are realized …. Also it’s very difficult, because they have a very nice business propositions, they have very nice advertising agencies. Like the other day I went to Spain, I was shocked. There’s another thing these lamas have started, that we have to go to Gobi Desert, Gobi Desert. Now imagine! That Gobi Desert is a place where you go for even one mile, you’ll be finished. For nirvana you go to Gobi Desert. So take all the money from the people now, they prepare nicely and take crowds of people to Gobi Desert. Poor things are walking towards their death – and they call “it’s a nirvana.” They never return. So they have gone to their nirvana, they are not returned. This is how they are working it out.

I’ve had people in England – there was one fellow called Omkar. His name was given as Omkar by some – I don’t know what lama gave him that name, because normally they don’t have Omkar name. So I said, “Who gave you this name?”

He said, “I went to a monastery.” And what happened? All his bones were broken. He said, “They beat me on my back.” Just imagine. How can that be? All his bones were broken. And it was impossible to give him realization, because physically it was impossible. But slowly and steadily he is now recovering. He’s like a madman. How can you be cruel? So Tibetans, are they very realized souls, you think? What is there to learn from Tibetans?

Anybody who is foreign need not be a learned personality. Whatever is written in the book need not be a scripture. You should understand that all these things have come up just after Buddha’s death. It has happened with every religion, with every great personality came on this earth, it has happened. But it is in the old caves the saints who lived after Buddha have written that it is a spontaneous happening. But Buddha did not talk of God because He thought, “First talk of the Self. Because if you talk of God, people immediately start thinking they have become God. So better talk of Self; let them get their Self-realization. Unless and until they get Self-realization, how will they understand God?”

So they are called, He is called as Anishwar, means He doesn’t believe in God, an atheist: it’s not so. He just deliberately did it because He thought, if you talk of something far-fetched then people live in an imaginary world. So what He wanted practically to have Self-realization first, and then the knowledge about God. Because for a blind person, no use telling him about the whole thing, before first tell him that “you must have your vision.”

[Yogi: Any other questions?]

The other day we had one lady from Buddhist meditation, she couldn’t get her realization, I’m sorry to say, though we can work it out gradually; but she couldn’t get it. Because you see, Buddha resides within us, on this side here. And this is the portion gets very much swollen up when you do Buddhist meditation and we have to reduce it with certain mantras, otherwise you cannot reduce it. One has to work hard for such people – doesn’t matter. Because you are all seekers it’s your right to have it, and I am here to work for you. Any other question, please?

[Lady in audience comments on how people don’t want to know about the spirit.]


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