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Los Angeles, May 15, 1970

(Prabhupäda chants first ten verses with devotees)

Prabhupäda: So this verse is very important.

anyad evähur vidyayä

anyad ähur avidyayä

iti çuçruma dhéräëäà

ye nas tad vicacakñire

[Éço 10]

So here is one word, iti çuçruma. Çuçruma means heard. The word meaning is there. "It is heard." In the Vedic disciplic succession, it is never said, "It is experienced." That is the secret of Vedic understanding. No student will... Just like people are now engaged in researching what is there in the moon planet. So this is material policy, to try to understand things by his own experience. Pratyakña, direct, experimental knowledge. The Vedic understanding is different. It is çruti. Çruti means to hear from authoritative source. That is real knowledge. Just like I have given many times this example that if you want to know your father by experimental knowledge, is it possible? Not possible. Then how to know my father? By hearing from the authority, mother. That's all. Simple thing. Similarly, things which are beyond our experimental knowledge you should not try to understand by your imperfect senses. That is not possible. If you cannot know your material father by experimental knowledge, how you can know the Supreme Father by experimental knowledge? The original father... The father of the father, father, father, you go on searching father, and the original father is Kåñëa. So if you cannot understand your material father, the next generation, by experimental knowledge, how you can know God, or Kåñëa, by experimental knowledge? Can you answer this, anyone?

 

So people are searching what is God. And searching, searching, searching, and they fail. They say, "Oh, there is no God. I am God." Finished. You see? This is not possible. Here it is said, iti çuçruma. This is Vedic knowledge. Heard, çuçruma. Wherefrom çuçruma? From the storekeeper? No. Dhéräëäà çuçruma. Iti çuçruma dhéräëäm. What is dhéräëäm? From the sober sect. Not this fanatic sect, but the sober sect, dhéra. Dhéra means whose senses are not agitated by material influence, or svämé, or gosvämé. He is called dhéra. There are different kinds of agitation. The first agitating agent is the mind, then the another agitating agent is this tongue. Another agitating agent is our speaking power. Väco-vega krodha-vega. Another agitation is when we become angry. When we become angry, we forget. We do any nonsense due to the agitation of anger. When we speak in anger, we speak so many nonsense things. Väco-vegaà krodha-vegaà manasa-vegaà jihvä-vegam. Jihvä-vegam, agitation of the jihvä, tongue. Don't you see? For the agitation of the tongue so many advertisement: "Oh, here is this liquor," "Here is this chicken," "Here is this beef." What for? To satisfy the agitation of the tongue. Does it mean that without beef, without chicken, without liquor, we cannot live? Is it a fact? It is not a fact. For living, we have got so many nice things. God has, Kåñëa has given-éçäväsyam idaà sarvam [Éço mantra 1]—for human being. You can take these grains, these fruits, the nice things, the milk. The milk is produced hugely. It is not for the cow itself, who is producing the milk; it is for human being. Tena tyaktena bhuïjéthä. That is the allotment. God's allotment is, "You, Mr. or Miss Cow, or Mrs. Cow, although you are producing milk, you cannot drink it. It is for the human being. Better. Better animal. Not that... What you will do by drinking milk?" No animal... Of course, in infant stage every animal living (drinks) mother's milk. That is nature's... But so far the cow's milk is concerned, that is specifically meant for the human being. So tena tyaktena bhuïjéthä. What is ordained by Kåñëa, or God, you take it. But we have got the agitation of the tongue. Why shall I be satisfied simply taking grains, milk, and vegetables, and fruits? Let me maintain hundreds of slaughterhouse and kill these animals. After taking their milk, although she becomes my mother, for my tongue agitation let them be killed. You see?



 

So this is not... You haven't got to hear from such nonsense, but you have to hear from the dhéräëäm, those who have controlled their senses. That is the gosvämé, or svämé. One who has six kinds of control: control of the mind, control of the tongue, control of anger, control of speaking, control of the genital, and control of the belly. Six kinds of agitating agents: the mind, the tongue, the belly, the genital, the speaking... So one who has control over these six things, he is called dhéräëäm. Dhéra. Hara eva (?) dhéra. Just like in Kumära-sambhava. There is a nice poetry made by a great poet, Kälidäsa. It is called Kumära-sambhava. This Kumära-sambhava, we had our prescribed books in our intermediate I.A. class, Kumära-sambhava. Kumära-sambhava, the fact of the Kumära-sambhava is that when Pärvaté suicided herself in the Dakña-yajïa, then Lord Çiva was very angry. He left this world. That's a Dakña-yajïa story. You might have heard from Bhägavatam. So he was engaged in meditation, and there was fight between the demons and the demigods. They wanted a very nice general. So it was concluded that with the semina of Lord Çiva, if a son is born, then he'll be able to fight this great fight between the demons. So Lord Çiva was in meditation, completely naked. So this Pärvaté was sent to worship the Çiva-liìga just to agitate him for sex. But he was not agitated. He was still silent. So that particular instance is given by Kälidäsa, "Here is a dhéra." Dhéra. He is naked. A young girl is worshiping the genital, touching it; still he's not agitated. So that is the example of being dhéra. Dhéra means there may be causes for agitation, but one shall not be agitated. That is called dhéra. In spite of presence of the agent of agitating... Just like there is a very nice foodstuff, but still, my tongue should not be agitated. There is a very nice girl or boy, still, I shall not be agitated sexually. In this way, when you are able to control the six agitating elements, then you become dhéra. Dhéra. Not that he had, Lord Çiva had no sexual potency, but he was dhéra. That is the example. Just like Kåñëa danced with so many girls, but there was no sex appetite. That is called dhéra.

 

So you have to hear from such person, dhéra. Here it is stated, iti çuçruma dhéräëäm. Dhéräëäm. Then your knowledge will be perfect. If you hear from adhéräëäm, those who are not controlled, then it is useless knowledge. But here it is in the Vedic version of Éçopaniñad, iti çuçruma dhéräëäà ye nas tad vicacakñire. So the student has approached the spiritual master and he says that "We have heard like this. Now it may be kindly explained." So teacher or the spiritual master is not inventing something. The same old thing. Just like the Bhagavad-gétä, the old thing is being explained again by Kåñëa to Arjuna. So we have no, nothing to research. Everything is there. Simply we have to hear from a person who is dhéra, who is not agitated by the six kinds of agitating agents. That is the process of Vedic knowledge.

tad viddhi praëipätena

paripraçnena sevayä

upadekñyanti (te jïänaà)

jïäninas tattva-darçinaù

[Bg. 4.34]

So always remember that we have to learn from a person who is dhéra, who has control over these agitating agents.

Thank you. (end)

 


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